Saturday, June 21, 2008

"If she's not crying...then I did not do my job"

"The guy gets all the glory, the more he can score..." And you know the rest. The sexual double standard in the 21st Century is no different than it was in the 1950s, and who better to prove that than the perennially disgusting Justin Gimelstob? Gimelstob, in a Washington Post blog item that makes you want to take a post-read shower, says that he was sexually involved with Charlie Sheen's wife before her marriage and that "I don't think I was the only one."

So what? Kirsten Mueller has had sex with some men--what a complete slut that makes her, not only in the tiny mind of Gimelstob, but in the minds of most Americans (I cannot speak for other cultures). When does it end, this belief that men should have sex with as many women as possible, but women should not dare have more than one partner? I cannot tell you how many girls and women I meet who have bought totally into the belief that they are sluts and whores if they have sex with more than one man, but it is a credit to males to have multiple partners. Many of these same people--men and women--claim to support gender equality. How crazy is that?

In this same story, Gimelstob goes viciously after Anna Kournikova, calling her a bitch, a douche and a scumbag. With regard to playing against her in World Team tennis mixed doubles, he says "If she's not crying by the time she walks off that court," then I did not do my job." That is mild, however, compared to: "...she's gonna be serving 40 miles an hour and I'm gonna be just plugging it down her throat."

He denies he has any sexual interest in Kournikova, but goes on to say "I wouldn't mind having my younger brother, who's kind of a stud, nail her and then reap the benefits of that."

Of course, the defense of this type of blather is that is it "trash talk." I do not approve of trash talk because it gives the culture even more permission to be sexist, misogynistic, gay-hating, racist, etc. by normalizing hate. But even if one approves of sports trash talk, this goes over the line. And given Gimelstob's contempt for women, I'm not convinced that 100% of his diatribe is "only trash talk."

The time has come for Tennis Channel to get rid of the toxic and misogynistic Gimelstob. Don't expect Tennis Channel executives to do the right thing and fire him. Don't even expect them to perceive that anything he said (and constantly says) is inappropriate. We must be the ones to tell them. Pressure is the only thing that will make this happen (and it also needs to happen at ESPN, where Dick Enberg lives).

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184 comments:

prin said...
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Diane said...

Also know that Gimelstob represents Tennis Warehouse.

ignoramoose said...

I just fired off an email. I had no idea what a douchelord Gimelstob is.

Dr. Tettrazini said...

my email to WTT:
As long as Justin Gimelstob in a member and player of WTT i will boycott any and all WTT events. I am encouraging all my friends and anyone else i may be able to contact to do the same. Justin's trash talking and neanderthal contempt
for women is needs to be addressed and he needs to grow up. WTT suffers from this morons actions and is shameful in allowing this to continue.
Justin is a poor excuse for a man. More of a spiteful brat. Cretin is more like it.
I am a 62 year old doctor of ethics and in my years of observing sports i have never been so disgusted by the words of anyone as i have been by this sad fool.
He dishonors tennis and mankind by his awful screeds on his blog and in person
while playing.

Dr. Tettrazini. I await your response.

Anonymous said...

Did any of you actually listen to the interview from which these excerpts were taken? I think if you heard it, then you would realize that Justin would agree with your comments about the situation with Sheen's wife. When asked about sleeping with her, and he said "I don't think I was the only one," it came across in audio differently then you are assuming. You assume he was calling her a slut. From his voice, I inferred that he meant he obviously wasn't the only one, as it is no big deal, and should be expected that he wasn't the only one.

As for Kournikova, he has a problem with one female, and you assume he hates all women. When he talks about the respect he has for other female players, the interviewers and you male haters coast right past that because it isn't attackable.

I don't know the man personally, but I think you can all agree that not all quotes carry the same intended meaning in print, as when spoken.

prin said...

So why didn't you leave your name or an address where we could listen to the audio...not that I think it would make any difference in my opinion. He is a public figure and should act and speak with respect to all people, not just women.

Diane said...

Anon,

Yes, I heard the interview, and tone or not, Gimelstob's remark about Sheen's wife was still inappropriate. If you have really been following his blog, his commentating on Tennis Channel and his other interviews, then you do know that every other word out of his mouth is sexist (or perhaps you simply have not reached the point that you are willing to acknowledge sexism--there's a lot of that going around).

There have been complaints about him for years. Even when he shows "respect" for women, it is tainted by sexist comments. I do not assume he has a problem with "one female." I have been complaining about his sexism for years, as have other women (and--I hope--men).

By name-calling me and others who have commented on this blog, you have actually proven that it is you who makes blind assumptions and it is you who has an agenda.

Anonymous said...

(Same anon poster as before) Sorry, I just didn't post a name because I'm not a regular reader of this forum. I only found this place because I heard on the radio that Gimelstob was getting heat. I searched google for the reasons, and clicked the link that brought me here. I probably won't be back, except to see if I should defend my own idiocy, even as an anonymous poster. I'm a DC native, and a regular listener of the show he was on. I'm not sure if his segment is available to download, but you can check out the website at www.wjfk.com for The Junkies (formerly The Sports Junkies) show items. He has been a regular on the show for many years, and I think he gets caught up in the locker room atmosphere.

I could be totally wrong, and he may be a jerk. I just don't think that hating one female makes you a sexist, just as hating one person of a minority does not make you a racist. I also believe that shows are geared to a certain audience. The audience of that show is nearly all male. I realize that a show/website geared toward women will have some male bashing involved. I may voice an opinion against it, but I won't call for anyone's firing.

However, I also realize that if he uses this same language on his shows on The Tennis Channel, then he is accountable to be appropriate to all sexes.

Diane said...

Anon, he doesn't use that same language on Tennis Channel or he would have been fired long ago, but he cannot do a commentary that is not sexist. Again, he has a long history of making sexist comments of all types.

Anonymous said...

Diane,

Although I don't recall "name calling" anyone, I do admit that I don't have the knowledge base on Gimelstob to comment on his entire body of work. I tend to comment quickly just to see what types of responses it will get in the opposite direction so that I can see the other side of the coin. I do believe sexism exists heavily, more so than racism. I always thought that many white males would have a harder time voting for Hilary, than they would for Barrack, based entirely on superficial issues. Like I said previously, if Gimelstob speaks like a sailer on The Tennis Channel, then there is a problem. I just believe that if I listen to a show geared to minorities, I should expect jokes about whites. If I listen to shows geared to women, I should expect man-bashing. I don't think those entertainers should face calls for firing because they entertained their intended crowd. If you think I can carry a legitimate argument, I would gladly continue this by personal email if you will tell me where to contact. However, if you feel I'm just another idiot, I'll drop it now.

Thanks
Anon

Diane said...

"If you think I can carry a legitimate argument, I would gladly continue this by personal email if you will tell me where to contact. However, if you feel I'm just another idiot, I'll drop it now."

Neither.

Again, "talking like a sailor" is NOT the issue. The issue is sexism. Gimelstob makes sexist comments nonstop, both in writing and in his commentating. It seems to be difficult for you to sort out sexist languague from foul language. Four language is generally not even permitted.

And "man haters" is indeed name-calling.

Anonymous said...

Good call, I forgot the man hater comment. I can admit when I've been beaten, and I always appreciate an argument when the other person didn't resort to calling me a chauvinist, racist, or pro-abortionist. All of which make me lose respect for the person arguing because they can't respect the opposing view. I just hope that your problem with Gimelstob, has more to do with the way he speaks of women collectively as sexual objects, and not so much to do with his specific comments of Sheen's wife and Kournikova. I'm sure Ms. Kournikova would say the same things about him, and I really do remember thinking that he sounded like he was defending Sheen's wife, not belittling her. I can't defend the way he talked about the women on tour as a whole, however.

Diane said...

No problem. But I sincerely doubt that Kournikova would say sexually violent things about Gimelstob. And even if that were the only thing I had ever heard him say--yes, I would have drawn the same conclusion. Because there is never a reason to say violent sexual things about a woman, or to call a woman a bitch.

Kate said...

I am the person who originally posted the links and email addresses on the other blog, Feministe, in the comments. Today I received an email from Tennis Warehouse with an apology from them and an attached apology from Gimbelstob. Here is the Gimbelstob apology:

I want to apologize for remarks I made last week on “The Junkies” radio show. There is no excuse and I am extremely disappointed in myself. I take full responsibility for all the words that came out of my mouth, and, while I can’t take any of them back, I hope my heartfelt remorse can begin to heal the wounds felt by many. I do not feel that the views I expressed last week accurately represent the person I am or strive to be; however, I can completely understand how and why they offended so many people. Regardless of how I feel about someone, my access to communicate to the public should be used in a positive way, and this was clearly not the case last week. In addition, I have a responsibility to the numerous outlets that trust me to inform, entertain, and educate their viewers and listeners. I failed them. I am truly sorry. As a symbol of my contrition I plan on donating an undisclosed sum to The Women’s Sports Foundation, which works to expand opportunities for girls and women through sports and physical activity. I hope at least some good can come from my mistakes. I know I have learned how to accurately express my feelings and I can promise nothing similar to my previous remarks will ever be said again. Sincerely, Justin Gimelstob

Anonymous said...

His "apology" makes him sound like his a$$ was in a sling and they were about to fire him outta there! Good for them for responding so quickly. Now they need to make it public for all to hear. Now, we must be ever-more diligent listing to what he says in the future.

Diane said...

Please let Tennis Warehouse know that this was not an apology: http://tinyurl.com/6awfzb

aly said...

He is pathetic and so is that Tennis Warehouse commercial!

Anonymous said...

World number 22 Vaidisova, speaking after her third round victory over Casey Dellacqua at Wimbledon, insisted Gimelstob's comments were just a joke that had backfired.

"I know his sense of humour a little bit. I know he kind of talks like that a little bit. So I can cut him some slack," Vaidisova said.

"I have briefly seen it. I know Justin. He's a very nice guy. I heard he apologised for it. I think it's just you say something and you don't really mean it. It happens."

Diane said...

I saw that. She was mainly talking about his inappropriate comment about her. Vaidisova, like many young women, doesn't have her consciousness raised enough to know that she has been insulted, or that a lot of "jokes" are thinly masked hostility. In fact, it was Vaidisova who stated plainly that players looking glamorous and sexy was an important part of women's tennis.

nicole said...

I was with you until your last comment, Diane. Do you really need to insult the intelligence of "many younger women" by telling them they need their consciousness raised any time they don't feel insulted by something that insults you?

The sexually violent picture that Gimelstob painted with his words where what horrofied me. That he wanted to make Kournikova cry leaves me cold. But maybe I haven't had my consciousness raised enough.

Anonymous said...

I must say I love women tennis players and all women. I have been campaigning to the ATP to stop all of the negative press and up jumps the devil, in the form of Justin's totally unacceptable remarks. Prejudice comes in many forms and I really believed that comments like this shouldn't exist from someone who is in the media, Tennis Channel, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Tennis Warehouse, and more.

I remember other personalities and officials who made similar remarks against gender, race, religion, all were terminated.

Time for the women to stand up and take him down.

Diane said...

Nicole, point taken. But if younger (or older) women--whoever they are--are not insulted by having their bodies discussed in a sexual way in a public forum--and especially by someone with known sexist tendencies, and especially in the context of a misogynistic rant--then yes--I would say a bit of consciousness-raising is in order.

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