tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post1197856477917482583..comments2024-03-11T05:26:34.143-05:00Comments on Women Who Serve: Ah oui!--Bartoli wins WimbledonDianehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07124489754017593105noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-2896343176039537052013-07-08T11:40:16.493-05:002013-07-08T11:40:16.493-05:00Hmm, Blogger just ate the comment I left for you, ...Hmm, Blogger just ate the comment I left for you, Sabey. Oh, well.<br /><br />Thanks for your kind words.<br /><br />And in order for things to change (which I don't think they ever will), female athletes would have to be thought of as <i>athletes first</i>, as male athletes are, and women's sports would have to be considered not a second-class (to male sports) activity.<br /><br />And if I can have a Vika moment--good luck with that.<br /><br />Also, Marion is hardly an unattractive woman; she just isn't tall, thin and blonde.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07124489754017593105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-22922603889626553062013-07-08T09:01:36.216-05:002013-07-08T09:01:36.216-05:00Diane thanks again for the wonderful, thoughtful c...Diane thanks again for the wonderful, thoughtful commentary. Bartoli is a gracious and deserving winner and I could not have been happier for her. It has been so distressing to read/hear the sexist drivel directed at her from the BBC to Fox sports to comments left on virtually every sports website. It seems a segment of the population thinks that women's tennis exists to stimulate male viewers. No wonder they object to equal pay for players.Sabeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-50826965795692582462013-07-07T18:23:12.541-05:002013-07-07T18:23:12.541-05:00Thanks, Bill.
I'm proud of Marion, and Sabin...Thanks, Bill. <br /><br />I'm proud of Marion, and Sabine is such a good grass player, she is quite likely to get another shot at the title.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07124489754017593105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-13916541670539525702013-07-07T17:33:26.954-05:002013-07-07T17:33:26.954-05:00Great post, Diane, for a great final. Sabine looke...Great post, Diane, for a great final. Sabine looked rattled all through the first set. I was glad that she gathered herself to make a contest of it in the second. Marion was superb - an apt comparison to Francesca in the French Open. She is a brilliant champion.billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-85655001714642611992013-07-07T17:00:39.655-05:002013-07-07T17:00:39.655-05:00I really didn't think Lisicki's chances ag...I really didn't think Lisicki's chances against Bartoli were that good because context is--if not everything--almost everything. I didn't think Lisicki could take out Aga, but once she did, I had trouble imagining her holding her nerve against someone like Bartoli. It didn't hurt that Marion has cut way down on her serving inconsistency.<br /><br />After Lisicki won her quarterfinal, someone on ESPN predicted she would take the title, and Chris Evert said something to the effect of "Hmm...she still has to do this two more times." Exactly.<br /><br />And to address the last part of your post: Attention Petra, Vika and Maria (and especially Petra)--start bringing it again!Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07124489754017593105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-44805079951523075502013-07-07T16:40:43.743-05:002013-07-07T16:40:43.743-05:00It seemed like you started to say why Bartoli was ...It seemed like you started to say why Bartoli was a bad matchup for Lisicki but then just went on to describe the match (very well, of course). Mentally, you're right--the occasion was too big for Lisicki, while Bartoli had been there before & was ready to make the most of it. But are there tennis reasons why SL's game should make more of an impact against Serena and Aga than against Bartoli? Maybe the Bartoli return, which was on fire. <br /><br />And while the Couch piece was mostly despicable, I do think women's tennis is a bit thin on the ground at the moment. Serena really is still in a league by herself. One wants a dynamic of competition at the very top, like Graf-Seles, or Evert-Navratilova, or, say, the men's trio of Djokovic-Murray-Nadal (RF is fading pretty fast). But maybe Sharapova *is* getting closer; we didn't get to see it this Wimbledon, which makes the US Open even more potentially interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-12913799022751475802013-07-07T08:15:47.212-05:002013-07-07T08:15:47.212-05:00Anon, the article is disgusting. But misogyny is t...Anon, the article is disgusting. But misogyny is tolerated and even encouraged in our culture(s), so it doesn't surprise me.<br /><br />What's interesting is how lacking in logic it is--the reaches he had to make in order to justify his own bigotry (but that's what bigotry is all about). Just think--if Marion were a man, she'd be praised for knowing to get someone new to help her so she could better value the presence of her father.Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07124489754017593105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-43517998971102797762013-07-06T23:47:41.614-05:002013-07-06T23:47:41.614-05:00I will try this again. Do you think those comments...I will try this again. Do you think those comments are appropriate?<br />http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/wimbledon-womens-final-match-marion-bartoli-beats-sabine-lisicki-in-awful-match-070613<br />I think it's an outrageous that someone can write that way about any woman, and Wimbledon Champion in particular!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-30831816491913088902013-07-06T23:27:59.746-05:002013-07-06T23:27:59.746-05:00In Marion's Tennis Channel post-match intervie...In Marion's Tennis Channel post-match interview, she was asked at what point she realized that Lisicki was "off" (my word, not the interviewer's--I forget what that was). Marion said she knew when they walked onto the court!Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07124489754017593105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-37489472132690957082013-07-06T23:17:18.239-05:002013-07-06T23:17:18.239-05:00After the semifinals, a friend said to me "Li...After the semifinals, a friend said to me "Lisicki is either going to run over Bartoli or it'll be 12-14 Bartoli in the 3rd" <br /><br />I said... "I don't think so!"<br /><br />And I said that for the reasons you mentioned. I'm psyched for Bartoli and a pox on the nonsense comment from John Inverdale. It is indeed fitting she won one of the wackiest Wimbledon's in years!<br /><br /><br /><br />sventenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-20097760557985915322013-07-06T20:11:20.061-05:002013-07-06T20:11:20.061-05:00Congrats to Marion. Enjoyed how she knew this was ...Congrats to Marion. Enjoyed how she knew this was her moment to win and she did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-48408378347218757742013-07-06T15:28:35.573-05:002013-07-06T15:28:35.573-05:00I hope so, too, Chuck. And yes, Marion is a deligh...I hope so, too, Chuck. And yes, Marion is a delightful person.<br /><br />Eric, you should start tracking Evert's "accuracy" at predicting the winners! I'm glad she was in the booth, though; she lends the warmth that has (for me) always been a hallmark of her commentating.<br /><br />Thank you, and thanks to you, too, Craig!<br /><br /><br />Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07124489754017593105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-14945760899874916452013-07-06T14:57:39.351-05:002013-07-06T14:57:39.351-05:00Great post, Diane. Even among us superfans, it was...Great post, Diane. Even among us superfans, it was hard at times to 'never stop believing' that Wimbledon could happen.. but she knew that this was the do-able year, and she wasn't willing to let the chance slip. Totally amazing and thrilled for her.Craignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-48050285300945364892013-07-06T14:46:21.589-05:002013-07-06T14:46:21.589-05:00It's only fitting that Bartoli wins a wacky Wi...It's only fitting that Bartoli wins a wacky Wimbledon. It's just so perfect.<br /><br />I had such a great time learning more about Bartoli through the two weeks. She's so classy and thoughtful and considerate of others. How she addressed Flipkens and Lisicki -- she's competitive and wants to win but she also spares a thought for her colleagues. Women supporting women. I hope everyone was watching. And learning.<br /><br />After Kvitova went out, I thought Bartoli would win. It was further cemented when Chris Evert said definitively that Lisicki was the favorite. (I also thought Lisicki's run was like Stosur's 2010 French OPen while it was happening.) The day Chris Evert said Serena would definitely win, I thought in my heart that Serena would lose the next day. And she did. And then before the semis, Evert once again predicted Radwanska would win. Loss. You get the pattern. So naturally, I knew her final prediction would doom Lisicki.<br /><br />Nice posts Diane!Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05861122308109064514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-229616072187725718.post-10441312607385796672013-07-06T14:12:24.639-05:002013-07-06T14:12:24.639-05:00Bravo to Marion Bartoli who so richly deserved thi...Bravo to Marion Bartoli who so richly deserved this Wimbledon title. She seems like such a lovely person and is a fierce competitor. I really enjoy watching her and I hope this win propels her to more success!<br /><br />Allez Marion!Chucknoreply@blogger.com